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2012_11_23 Ten RDW

Need to get the newly revamped DW training (and last hurrah for the attempt to retrain Ten) documented somewhere. So here it is. Dry as dirt and not really meant for public consumption but I'll leave it unlocked and take the spamming anyway.

2012_11_23 Setup Notes and Summary



Puppy is doing well. He's onto leash walks and looking forward to being "freed" on Christmas Eve. I'm tired of listening to him whine and yell about being crated, but hey, that's part of the deal.

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foggydogs
Nov. 25th, 2012 05:21 pm (UTC)
I can't help but spamming, especially when it comes to training dogs. Why did you decide to put yourself in a stationary position?
tenzears
Nov. 25th, 2012 05:29 pm (UTC)
Recalls are "easiest" for her. So, recalls first until we get to 80%. Then sends. Then add motion back in. Then start moving the target around. Then fade the target.

I think. :-)

That's the cursory plan anyway.
foggydogs
Nov. 25th, 2012 06:14 pm (UTC)
I guess what would be confusing for me from the dog's perspective is that if my handler was standing still at a jump I should collect and turn into them instead of staying in extension off the dw and moving ahead, so natural tendency would be to compress the single stride on the down plank resulting in a miss or try to squish in a second stride.
tenzears
Nov. 25th, 2012 08:24 pm (UTC)
Interesting thought.

When do you expect your dog to start responding to your position and no motion on a lead out? If you have a line of three jumps, spaced 18' apart and you stand at the wing of the last one - do you expect the dog to collect on the approach to #2?
dinahprincedaly
Nov. 25th, 2012 10:46 pm (UTC)
if i remember correctly from RDW class with Silvia, it should not matter where you are or if you are moving, the DW is an independent obstacle... for straight off exits in extension she gives a verbal cue like go go go, and if the dog needs to collect for a 180, the verbal right or left she says to give well before the second apex... other turns handle like it was a jump
at least i think thats what she said
tenzears
Nov. 25th, 2012 11:53 pm (UTC)
My expectation is that the girls treat the RDW like weave poles. Complete the task correctly regardless of my location and cues - then re-engage. When Ten was a pup we had trouble with her committing to the obstacle after the poles regardless of my lateral motion, and of course every dog goes through not completing the poles because the human has stayed behind, raced ahead, or diverged laterally.

Nice to know that Silvia is on that page as well - I'm planning on auditing her next RC class to see what her angle is, though I've been pretty happy parsing things out based on her original FAQ and a little help from Daisy.
foggydogs
Nov. 25th, 2012 11:03 pm (UTC)
If I'm standing still I expect some acknowledgment on approach to #2 that I am standing still, slight raising of the head, perhaps an added stride, or some slowing down/weight shift to the rear, ie not a bounce, then true collection at #3, at least for Kona. Lucy only gets held to the keep the bars up criteria.
tenzears
Nov. 25th, 2012 11:50 pm (UTC)
I would actually be *dis* pleased by a collection stride at 1-2 if I was standing at #3 facing forward.

They have 18-21 feet between 2 and 3 to sort out their jumping effort. An added stride between 1-2 is just wasted time. I discourage bounce jumping in any spacing that doesn't require it, so for my dogs typical jump spacing in any venue on a straight line would be a single stride.

Also, I would not necessarily expect true collection at 3 just because I'm standing still there and facing forward. I would expect true collection at #3 if I was on the landing side, in the landing space, forcing it or if I was facing the dog on the take off side of three using direct eye contact.

Now I have to go mess with this on jumps of course to see if I'm totally talking shit. ;-)

foggydogs
Nov. 26th, 2012 12:57 am (UTC)
I just did the same thing, interesting array of choices made at 12-15 feet spacing.

On the dw Kona gave me her collection behavior (two strides on downramp), not that there would ever be a scenario in trial where I was so ahead that I could come to a complete stop. She was probably just surprised to see me in front of her rather than exhibiting any understanding of the positional cue and lack of motion :)
tenzears
Nov. 26th, 2012 01:03 am (UTC)
Heh, I did think to myself "well, yeah, Ten will NEVER see me do this for *reals*".

I'll post my video of the girls - pretty interesting, including I may scratch this whole plan with Ten due to her ETS making it too hard for both of us.

More detail in that post.
ripnpaws
Nov. 25th, 2012 09:03 pm (UTC)
I thought once or twice, I saw her LOOK at the yellow rather than ahead - like she made a decision that it was important. Is this considered spam? I hope not.
tenzears
Nov. 25th, 2012 09:25 pm (UTC)
Ha, most of the spam stays in my inbox. It's the "original designer purses" and so forth that annoys.

I'll have to look for that. I'm not sure I think she "gets" the targeting part, since I've not made as big a fuss of that as perhaps I should.
agilitysparrow
Nov. 25th, 2012 10:29 pm (UTC)
For the first time EVER I saw the feet! Thanks for the video! You sure have been working hard at this RDW. I hope you guys sort it out but I bet puppy gets it much faster!
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